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Fermenting Culture
An Interview with David Zilber
In this in-depth interview, David Zilber, director of the fermentation lab at Noma—named the best restaurant in the world—discusses how food is culture, but fermentation is culture on a deeper level.
“Culture” and “culture” mean two different things to a biologist and an anthropologist, but in fermentation, they overlap completely.
transcript and main podcast page:
Fermenting Culture – Emergence Magazine