Unknown's avatar antlerboy - Benjamin P Taylor 7:11 pm on April 5, 2021  

An Interview About the VSM – John Beckford interviewed by Prof. Mike Jackson and Dr. Roberto Palacios Rodriguez – YouTube

The primary audience were 3rd year undergraduates at The University of Hull working on a module called SMART: Critical Systems Thinking and the Management of Complexity

https://youtu.be/T3LyUv7LZLk