Voices | Peter Erdi Ph.D. | Cybernetics – Feedback – Choice – October 21 2025, 3pm UK time, online

Event by Prometheus Project

Tue, Oct 21, 2025, 3:00 PM – 5:00 PM

Event link https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/UJ8JSSgYQcaTRDD9cTP1Qw

Charming and substantial, Peter Erdi is our Voices guest to explore the oddly termed topic of “cybernetics”, which in its simple roots means ‘to steer’.

Awareness of complex systems has never been more of a priority, and Peter brings his decades of experience in these topics to our Voices conversation.

Please join us and remember to pre-register here: https://lnkd.in/dcajvW5F

Mechanistic or Relational Worldview for Talent Identification Research in Sport Science? Both-But With a Preference! Charbonnet and Conzelmann (2023)

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Kunst aufräumen by Urs Wehrli, Copyright ©2011 by KEIN & ABER AG Zürich -Berlin]

DOI:10.17505/jpor.2023.25813

Authors: Bryan Charbonnet, Achim Conzelmann

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This paper situates talent identification research in sport science within the broader context of developmental science, offering a conceptual framework informed by two (meta-)theoretical worldviews: the Cartesian-split-mechanistic and processual-relational worldviews. Although these worldviews are not explicitly named in the field of talent identification research, we demonstrate their implicit adoption through theoretical and methodological discourse. After comparing applications, benefits, and limitations of each worldview, we briefly discuss whether their bodies of knowledge are incompatible, competitive, or complementary. We suggest each worldview provides complementary insights with a penchant for generating nomothetic and group-specific and type-specific and idiographic knowledge, respectively.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/376328704_Mechanistic_or_relational_worldview_for_talent_identification_research_in_sport_science_Both-but_with_a_preference

Universal Patterns, Practical Questions: Grounding systems thinking and design in systems science – Rasmussen (2025) on RSD website

Format: Keynotes & TalksKeynotes & TalksTopic: Methods & Methodology

https://rsdsymposium.org/universal-patterns-practical-questions/

An Introduction to Relational Disobedience – eight-part pay-what-you-feel course from Mike Chitty

On LinkedIn, Mike Chitty says:

Friends,

I’m writing to invite you to something I’ve been working on for a long time.

Relational Disobedience is an eight-part course born from many years of experience in leadership, community, and social change work. It weaves together philosophy, parable, and practice, but more than that, it carries my heart and soul!

I have put everything I know into creating a space where we can learn to resist what should never have been normalised; homelessness, austerity, migrant deaths, climate change, genocide, and do so without feeding more hatred into the world.

Each session blends a story, an essay, and small group conversation. You can come to one session or all eight.

It’s Pay As You Feel – Free Is Fine, so nobody is excluded.

This course matters deeply to me – and I believe it might matter to you too.

Here’s my request: if this resonates, please not only sign up yourself but also share this invitation widely. With your help, this work can reach the people and communities who most need it.

Bookings are now open. Come and see what relational disobedience might mean for you. Use the link in the comments below…

With care,

Mike

Mike Chitty

There are times when obedience is deadly. Relational disobedience is the choice to refuse that deadening obedience. It is the courage to respond as a living, sensing, creative human being.

https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/an-introduction-to-relational-disobedience-4693683?utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-medium=discovery&utm-term=odclsxcollection&utm-source=wsa&aff=odclsxcollection

SCiO courses and Events

Please remember that All courses on the SCiO LMS are now discounted 10% to members, forever!
– use the discount code MEMBER10 when booking. The courses currently available are all at https://www.systemspractice.org/courses

There is no specially discounted course this month, but we include a brochure of our portfolio of professional development material (attached). This is intended for passing to HR or PD departments who are may be looking for training in Systems and Systems Practice. SCiO is in discussion with two large organisations to deliver such training.

EVENTS – by country

All at
https://www.systemspractice.org/events

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SCiO UK

SCiO UK Virtual Development Event – October 2025

Tue, Oct 21st, 2025 13:00 – 15:00 GMT+1

SCiO’s Development Event offer an opportunity to draw upon the collective expertise of SCiO members in a friendly and supportive atmosphere. By taking Development Events online, using the Zoom meeting platform, we aim to make them accessible to more SCiO members. Development Events are both for members who are just starting out on a journey to explore Systems Thinking approaches, and for those who have many years of exploration and practice.

Members only; FREE; Online event; English BOOK NOW

SCiO UK Virtual Open Meeting – November 2025

Mon, Nov 17th, 2025 18:30 – 21:00 GMT

Virtual Open Meeting: A series of presentations of general interest to Systems and Complexity in Organisation’s members and others. SCiO organises Open Meetings to provide opportunities for practitioners to learn and develop new practice, to build relationships, networks hear about skills, tools, practice and experiences. This virtual meeting will be held on Zoom. Speakers to be announced.

All welcome; FREE; Online event; English BOOK NOW

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SCiO Nederland

SCIO-NL monthly meeting October 2025 (live in Vianen and in Dutch)

Fri, Oct 3rd, 2025 12:30 – 16:30 CET+1

SCIO-NL komt elke 1e of 2e vrijdag van de maand live bijeen, afwisselend in Vianen (Hagenweg 3c) of in Woerden (Pelmolenlaan 2). Er staan (meestal) geen vaste onderwerpen op de agenda (daarvoor organiseren we specifieke andere meetings), maar de ervaring leert dat er altijd wel een interessant gesprek op gang komt over een systemisch onderwerp. Toegankelijk voor iedereen die de jaarlijkse fee voor de live-bijeenkomsten (€50,-) hiervoor betaald. En voor KNVI-leden. En voor gasten. Neem contact op via ed@doitogether.nl als je interesse hebt, maar nog geen lid van de club bent.

NL Members + guests; FREE; Hagenweg 3c, Vianen, Netherlands; Dutch BOOK NOW

SCIO-NL monthly meeting November 2025 (live in Woerden and in Dutch)

Fri, Nov 14th, 2025 12:30 – 16:30 CET+1

SCIO-NL komt elke 1e of 2e vrijdag van de maand live bijeen, afwisselend in Vianen (Hagenweg 3c) of in Woerden (Pelmolenlaan 2). Er staan (meestal) geen vaste onderwerpen op de agenda (daarvoor organiseren we specifieke andere meetings), maar de ervaring leert dat er altijd wel een interessant gesprek op gang komt over een systemisch onderwerp. Toegankelijk voor iedereen die de jaarlijkse fee voor de live-bijeenkomsten (€50,-) hiervoor betaald. En voor KNVI-leden. En voor gasten. Neem contact op via ed@doitogether.nl als je interesse hebt, maar nog geen lid van de club bent.

NL Members + guests; FREE; Pelmolenlaan 2, Woerden (At the Office) 5, Woerden, Netherlands; Dutch BOOK NOW

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SCiO Belgium

Intervisiesessie 1: Systemisch denken voor taaie vraagstukken

Tue, Oct 14th, 2025 (- Sun, Dec 14th, 2025) 19:00 – 21:00 CET+1

In een tijd waarin maatschappelijke, ecologische en organisatorische uitdagingen steeds complexer en meer verweven raken, volstaat lineair probleemdenken niet langer. Wat vandaag als oplossing geldt, kan morgen deel worden van het probleem. Het vraagt van ons een meta-systemische blik — een denkwijze waarin we niet alleen naar het systeem kijken, maar ook naar onze manier van kijken zélf.

In deze eerste van een reeks van drie intervisiesessie gaan we samen aan de slag met het gedachtegoed uit het essay “Opening the Box. Systems Thinking for Transformative Conversations.” We gebruiken dit meta-denkkader om per sessie taaie vraagstukken met elkaar te verkennen. Je reikt deze vraagstukken als deelnemer aan uit je eigen praktijk….

Members only + guests; 30 euro; Kon. Astridlaan 144, 2800 Mechelen, Belgium; Dutch BOOK NOW

Intervisiesessie 2: Systemisch denken voor taaie vraagstukken

Tue, Nov 18th, 2025 19:00 – 21:00 CET

In een tijd waarin maatschappelijke, ecologische en organisatorische uitdagingen steeds complexer en meer verweven raken, volstaat lineair probleemdenken niet langer. Wat vandaag als oplossing geldt, kan morgen deel worden van het probleem. Het vraagt van ons een meta-systemische blik — een denkwijze waarin we niet alleen naar het systeem kijken, maar ook naar onze manier van kijken zélf.

In deze eerste van een reeks van drie intervisiesessie gaan we samen aan de slag met het gedachtegoed uit het essay “Opening the Box. Systems Thinking for Transformative Conversations.” We gebruiken dit meta-denkkader om per sessie taaie vraagstukken met elkaar te verkennen. Je reikt deze vraagstukken als deelnemer aan uit je eigen praktijk….

Members only + guests; 30 euro; Kon. Astridlaan 144, 2800 Mechelen, Belgium; Dutch BOOK NOW

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SCiO DACH (Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz)

Der kybernetische Bauproduktivitäts-Check – Hannes Kraxberger

Thu, Nov 20th, 2025 19:00 – 20:00 CET

Die Bauproduktivität hat sich in den letzten 30 Jahren, im Gegensatz zum Durchschnitt der Industrie, nicht verbessert.
Grundlage für eine nachhaltige Verbesserung der Produktivität sind optimierte Prozesse auf Unternehmens- und Projektebene und darauf aufbauende kontinuierliche Verbesserungsprozesse.
Die Baupraxis zeigt, dass die Prozesse in Planungs- und Bauunternehmen oft unzureichend festgelegt sind oder bei vorhandenen Prozessbeschreibungen von den Mitarbeiter:innen nur teilweise angewandt werden.
Der Bauproduktivitäts-Check wurde entwickelt, um die bestehenden Arbeitsprozesse in planenden und bauausführenden Unternehmen auf Bauablauf- und Unternehmensebene zu analysieren, zu vergleichen und zu optimieren. …

Members only + guests; Free; Online event; German BOOK NOW

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SCiO Finland

No events are planned by SCiO Finland in October and November.

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SCiO Ireland

No events are planned by SCiO Ireland in October and November.

Resources from SysPrac25

https://www.systemspractice.org/resources-from-sysprac25

SCiO videos from SysPrac25 conference

https://www.systemspractice.org/resources/speakers-videos-slidedecks-podcasts?field_contains_attachment_types_target_id_verf%5B0%5D=youtube_video_a_&sort_by=field_publication_date_value&sort_order=DESC

Andrea Weierich Sept25 at SysPrac

18:58

Ing & Khan Sept25 at SysPrac25

27:53

Xavier Matieni Sept25 at SysPrac25

48:53

Ray Ison KN Sept25 at SysPrac 25

44:12

Jackson & Hoverstadt Sept25 at SysPrac 25

26:05

Hämäläinen & Korhonen Sept25 at SysPrac 25

25:23

Jane Graham Sept25 at SysPrac 25

24:06

MacCormac & Abbott Sept25 at SysPrac25

19:14

Anne Gambles Sept25 at SysPrac 25

24:45

Kevin Collins Sept25 at SysPrac25

23:16

Martin Reynolds Sept25 at SysPrac25

25:09

Chris Abbott Sept24 at SysPrac25

23:50

Gary Kass Sept25 SysPrac25

25:26

James Stauch Sept25 at SysPrac25

24:13

Ed Straw Sept25 at SysPrac25

Metaphorum – The Viable System Model in 1000 words

The VSM in 1000 words

George Por – three introductory workshops of the research seminar on Connecting Islands of Coherence, Aided by Co-evolving Human and Wisdom-Fostering AI Agents

[One of them already happened, sorry!]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ssd7lxeFDdeQTLjq9Wesd7fKuogckrV2Lu3L-o9xgA4/edit?tab=t.0

invite you to three introductory workshops of the research seminar on Connecting Islands of Coherence, Aided by Co-evolving Human and Wisdom-Fostering AI Agents

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ssd7lxeFDdeQTLjq9Wesd7fKuogckrV2Lu3L-o9xgA4/edit?tab=t.0

Clearer Thinking podcast with Spencer Greenberg Episode 281: A new paradigm for psychology research (with Slime Mold Time Mold)

[I’ve always really liked Slime Mold Time Mold and their brand of Extremely Online also meshes with the sort of fun creativity I quite like and that has often been found in the better sort of systems | complexity | cybernetics spaces – a pseudonymous collective blog written by ’20 mice in a trenchcoat’ taking ideas seriously.

Their ‘new paradigm’ for psychology research is… a cybernetic paradigm! Though I can’t help feeling that ‘entities and rules’ is more of a transitional object paradigm myself…]

https://podcast.clearerthinking.org/episode/281/slime-mold-time-mold-a-new-paradigm-for-psychology-research/

CLEARER THINKING

with Spencer Greenberg

the podcast about ideas that matter


Episode 281: A new paradigm for psychology research (with Slime Mold Time Mold)

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What changes when psychology stops naming traits and starts naming parts – can “entities and rules” turn fuzzy labels into testable mechanisms? If the mind is a web of governors with set points, what exactly is being controlled – and how do error signals become feelings? Are hunger, fear, and status-seeking all negative-feedback problems, and where do outliers like anger or awe fit? What would count as disconfirming evidence for a cybernetic view – useful constraint or unfalsifiable epicycle? Could a “parliament of drives” explain why identical situations yield different choices? And how would we measure the votes? Do abstractions like the Big Five help, or do they hide the machine under the hood? How many rules do we need before prediction beats metaphor? And could a new paradigm help make psychology a more mature and cumulative science?

SLIME MOLD TIME MOLD is a mad science hive mind with a blog. If you believe the rumors, it’s run by 20 rats in a trenchcoat. You can reach them at slimemoldtimemold@gmail.com, follow them on twitter at @mold_time, and read their blog at slimemoldtimemold.com

Links:

Podcast:

https://podcast.clearerthinking.org/episode/281/slime-mold-time-mold-a-new-paradigm-for-psychology-research/

Pacing Changes with Living Systems | Zaid Khan | SysPrac25

 September 23, 2025  daviding

TODAY – Christopher Mowles – Complexity and Change – online at The Complexity Loung September 23, 2025, 5:00PM London time

Hosted By Tiani J. and 2 others

Christopher Mowles  - Complexity and Change

Details

The Lounge loves to present different approaches and aspects of complexity science, and we are delighted to welcome Professor Christopher Mowles.

Chris will give a brief history of his research community, the Complexity and Management Centre at the University of Hertfordshire, which has been going for 25 years, working with a radical interpretation of the complexity sciences. He will briefly explain the key ideas of the perspective of perspectives called complex responsive processes of relating, which adopts a non-teleological view of change. That is to say that there may be things we aspire to, but even our aspirations will evolve and change in our interactions with each other and the world. To take the implications from the complexity sciences seriously means treating the future as radically open and impervious to our grids and frameworks. He will go on to explore what all of this might mean for practice in the increasingly dark times we face, a practice he has begun to think of as hopeful pessimism.

Bio
Professor Chris Mowles has been director of the Doctor of Management programme (DMan) at Hertfordshire Business School, UK, for the last 15 years. The program works psychodynamically with insights from the complexity sciences, process sociology and philosophy, and group analytic theory to inform practice.

Chris’ publications include: a four-volume Complexity and Management series published by Routledge, with titles addressing leadership, consultancy, the public sector and research methods. In addition he published Complexity: a key idea for business and Society (2021); Managing in Uncertainty: complexity and the paradoxes of everyday organizational life (2015) also published by Routledge and the 7th Edition of Strategic Management and Organizational Dynamics: the challenge of complexity to managing organizations, written with Ralph Stacey.

He teaches regularly at the Copenhagen Business School and has taught in other Danish universities (Aalborg, SDU) and in the Netherlands and Switzerland, as well as UK universities.

Chris started out in international development, working in the Middle East with Oxfam. Thereafter, he worked as an organizational consultant in China for the British government, in the Middle East for the UN, in many countries in Asia and Africa on EU-funded projects, and in the UK in voluntary, public, and private sectors. He is an associate member of the Institute for Group Analysis.

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This event will be recorded. The event link will be published on meetup.com 1 hour prior.

Please note the time slot- this is an afternoon event for those of you on EST (12:00 pm to 2:00 pm).

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Book by Tuesday, September 23, 2025 4:00 PM UK time

Tuesday, September 23, 2025, 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM London time

Alan Watts – Being in the Way – Ep. 36 – Seeing Through The Net

[Lots and lots of systems | complexity | cybernetics thinking in this, some very contemporary challenges – and even a slightly throwaway direct reference to cybernetics]

In this new, technological age, Alan Watts explains how seeing reality via only one perspective can lead to a fragmented view of the world; instead, he encourages listeners to adopt both the analytical and the organic.

https://beherenownetwork.com/alan-watts-being-in-the-way-ep-36-seeing-through-the-net/

Slowing Down to See the System: Lessons from the 2025 Banff Systems Summit

Linh Bui — Mount Royal University

Posted: June 10, 2025

https://www.mtroyal.ca/nonprofit/InstituteforCommunityProsperity/Stories/2025/06/2025-Banff-Systems-Summit-Stories.htm

Harish’s Notebook – Rethinking Purpose: When Organizations Stop Having and People Start Being… (Jose, 2025)