I had no idea Marcia Hyatt, a stalwart of the power+systems community (and otherwise all-round expert and experience OD type) had a podcast which has nearly reach 200 episodes! This one with Barry Oshry, the originator of power+systems, will be good.
In Barry Oshry’s latest book, Encounters with the “Others”, he succinctly shows how we get into trouble and can do great harm. Seeing patterns helps us see our choices. Then the challenge is learning how to navigate the tensions.