antlerboy - Benjamin P Taylor 2:24 pm on July 10, 2021

Cybernetics’s Reflexive Turns – Klaus Krippendorff (2008)

Cybernetics’s Reflexive Turns
“Cybernetics’s Reflexive Turns” by Klaus Krippendorff

janlelie 8:03 am on July 13, 2021

I like this one:

Cybernetics – an inter-disciplinary discourse that brings forth radically reflexive realities.

and …

The attention to reflexivity, which includes a host of well-known circular
causalities, self-references, recursions, and autonomies, moves cybernetics from a
science of “control and communication” to an effort by the cybernetic community to
come to grips with the challenges that its discourse is creating in the world.

Krippendorff does remark:

Von Glasersfeld, following Piaget, demonstrated how the grammatical structures of linguistic expressions reflect cognitive constructions

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while ignoring how we tend to use these grammatical structures to prevent discourses he proposes. But then again, designing and using other grammatical structures requires third-order cybernetics.
antlerboy - Benjamin P Taylor 6:16 am on July 14, 2021

Commenting on https://stream.syscoi.com/2021/07/14/cybernetics-is-not-the-banana/ on facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2391509563/posts/10159074551529564/?comment_id=10159074762004564&notif_id=1626260104211860&notif_t=group_comment&ref=notif), Mark Johnson says:
My offering: Cybernetics is the tool which helps us to see how our distinctions between the stick, shelf, banana, the monkey and cybernetics are made… It is the metalanguage of the metasystem.

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