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What is systems change? The start of aggregating information (a stub)
In the Facebook COVID-19 Resources (Systems Community) (via Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/SCA.COVID19/permalink/553322955370095/), Rob Young asks:
I’ve been trying to understand what the movement/ field of ‘Systems change’ is.As a ‘movement’, it seems to have emerged fairly recently, and has been taken up by large, well funded, politically active groups, whose agenda was not clear to me.(apologies for any ignorance of mine)This Harvard Business Review article/ case study has helped me form a (personal, initial) opinion that it is a valid systems approach, and potentially, an important one.(I don’t yet have an opinion on the political/ agenda aspects. – compare with how ideas like ‘climate’, ‘ecology’, ‘woke’ etc get mis-appropriated by hidden agendas).My positive take on ‘systems change’ is that: it is proactive, design and implementation of real world, system based change; It is one of the fields of *systems practice*; It is like a softer version of systems engineering.[Why Social Ventures Need Systems Thinking – Journal article – Harvard Business Review (Vanessa Kirsch , Jim Bildner and Jeff Walker) – Systems Change – 25-Jul-2016]:(Harvard Business Review seems to be behind a registration wall, but does offer viewing of 2 Free articles, without registration]
- David Ing‘s www.systemschanges.com for a more systems science informed perspective
- and https://stream.syscoi.com/2018/11/17/forum-for-the-future-systems-change-field-building-convening/
- Social Labs and Collaborative Approaches to Systems Change: Live Discussion March 13, 2020, 1:30-2:30pm EDT/17:30-18:30 GMT | Cost: Free | Systems Community of Inquiry
- Webinar: Building Capacity for Systems Change – Academy for Systems Change – 11am EDT, May 13,2020 | Systems Community of Inquiry
Otherwise, many links:
https://stream.syscoi.com/?s=%22systems+change%22
It is a large and multiply defined field (especially if you include systems changes, systems innovation, systems weaving, systems convening, systems building etc). I have been building a folder of all key documents related to ‘place-based systems change’ which is edging towards 400 items…
MECHANISMS OF SOCIAL CHANGE | Jake Lomax | Research Project
Jake says:
“I’m developing a language for understanding, mapping and measuring systems and system change. Practitioner-oriented document on measuring systemic change is available [in the paper listed bottom, which] also provides a pretty good indication of the language although it doesn’t go into detail. I’m working on a systems mapping guide at the moment, it should be available in a few weeks. I should add that I work in international development and the practitioners targeted follow the ‘market systems development’ approach, but the language is designed to be transferable to any social or socio-environmental context or approach.”
via MECHANISMS OF SOCIAL CHANGE | Jake Lomax | Research Project
Mechanisms of Social Change
Systems Innovation Fundamentals – Resources – Dropbox – from EIC ClimateKIC
Storytelling at the Gemba: | Harish’s Notebook – My notes… Lean, Cybernetics, Quality & Data Science.
Storytelling at the Gemba:

In today’s post, I am looking at storytelling. We are sometimes referred to as Homo Narrans or humans who tell stories. Storytelling, oral or otherwise, is part of our culture, and part of who we are. Joseph Campbell, an American literary professor, talks about the universal nature of all stories in his famous book, The Hero with a Thousand Faces. Campbell’s thesis, like those of the ancients—and as put forth also, but in different ways, by Freud, Jung, and others—is that by entering and transforming the personal psyche, the surrounding culture, the life of the family, one’s relational work, and other matters of life can be transformed too. Campbell’s ideas have been distilled into the famous Hero’s Journey. Loosely put, this story structure describes a hero who starts off as ordinary, faces adversities, goes through a transformation, and in the end becomes triumphant. I am inspired by Campbell’s work, but I am looking at the ideas I learned in Cybernetics.
Continues in source: Storytelling at the Gemba: | Harish’s Notebook – My notes… Lean, Cybernetics, Quality & Data Science.
Hayek: The Knowledge Problem – Jeffrey A Tucker, Foundation for Economic Education
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Hayek: The Knowledge Problem
Sunday, September 28, 2014
F.A. Hayek is an epic figure in the history of human freedom. He stood for liberty at a time when most intellectuals in the world embraced ideologies of command and control. His literary legacy continues to provide some of the most powerful arguments ever made for the depoliticization of the social order, including its commercial life.
But, in my personal experience, he can also be one of the most difficult thinkers to grasp.
After F.A. Hayek died in 1992, for example, a magazine commissioned me to do a final tribute to his life and work, summing up his main contributions. It was supposed to be for a popular audience. There’s nothing like such a writing assignment to reveal how much you actually know — or do not know — about a subject.
I thought it was going to be a snap. I covered his biography and politics just fine; I mentioned his business-cycle studies and his work on capital theory. But of course his main contribution to the world of social science is summed up in the phrase “the knowledge problem.” Even though I read most of his major work, and read his seminal articles on the problem of knowledge, I was stunned to find myself with writer’s block.
What I came to realize is that I didn’t understand, much less appreciate, his writing on this topic. So I covered the basics (the knowledge needed to run the social order is distributed in individual minds and inaccessible to planners), but my heart wasn’t in it. That’s where matters stood for me for about twenty years.
I tried to make an effort to get how it was that Hayek was able to write vast literature on this one subject, why his seminal article “The Use of Knowledge in Society” was the most cited article in the second half of the twentieth century, why innumerable dissertations have been written on Hayek’s insight, and why he has influenced countless scholars in so many disciplines for so long.
Part of the problem is that Hayek did not always write with his logic and conclusions on his sleeve. His rhetorical style is not so much hortatory or doctrinaire as it is searching and exploratory. You get the sense that he is thinking through an issue as he writes, struggling to find the right combination of words, the right phrasing, the right examples, to capture his insight — which always seems to be unfolding in real time rather than stated like a final product for consumption.
For someone who is looking for final answers and pure theory, this type of writing can be frustrating. There was the additional problem that Hayek can just be downright annoying in places, contradicting himself by endorsing political programs at odds with his own theory. He also has a habit of backing away from the hardest conclusions of his own narrative. If you seek a clear definition of ideas like freedom or property rights in Hayek’s work, you will come away disappointed. He often seemed so consumed by the complexity of the world that he shied away from clarity for fear that he had missed something. For readers looking for ironclad deductions and arguments, his approach can give the impression of being an elaborate display of obscurantism.
In order to understand Hayek and to learn from him, you have to be prepared to think alongside him as he writes. His work presumes an open mind that is ready to think about complex topics, most often from the inside out. He is asking and seeking to answer a completely different set of questions than most people are even willing to consider. Most readers are not prepared to consider them. This is a point it took me many years to understand.
What changed for me? I needed a visual application of the knowledge problem, something that connected the theory with reality. This happened to me at a bar atop one of the highest spots in São Paulo, Brazil, a spot where you could make a complete turn and see the lights of the city as far as you looked. It was a world without end, in all directions.
I was overwhelmed at its utter incomprehensibility. It was too much for my mind because it is too much for any mind. The revelation hit me like a truck: this is an order that no one can possibly comprehend in either its totality or its parts, and, as such, an order that no one can possibly control. It cannot be built by anyone in particular; it is built only by an extended and hyper-complex process that is driven by individual minds that takes many generations to unfold.
It can only be harmed by those who would presume to control it — and the bureaucrats and politicians in this city surely do. The regulators can pass regulations. The planners can order buildings built and torn down. They can loot those who are willing to comply. But, in the end, in this city of more than 11 million people, even in the presence of overweening government, society somehow takes its own course. How this happens and why cries out for explanation.
“The knowledge of the circumstances of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or integrated form,” explains Hayek, “but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals possess.”
I came to realize, right there, that this is not just about São Paulo. It’s about any city in the world. In fact, it’s about every social setting, large or small. It’s about the whole world. Only individuals possess the knowledge that nearly all social scientists — and bureaucracies — imagine that they can, must, and do possess. Anyone who seeks to control the social order is presuming that the unanswerable questions are already answered and proceeds from that point. Hayek is digging deeper to observe that we cannot possibly know what we must know if we seek to design much less rule the world. The knowledge is dispersed and, by its nature, uncollectible.
Is Hayek describing a world of disconnected chaos and uncoordinated randomness, a nihilistic social order of swirling unpredictability? That is not the world in which we live. Why not? Because of the existence of institutions like prices, mores, habits, signaling systems of culture and learning — of knowledge that we all possess, not always consciously but mostly inchoately. They are institutions that we ourselves have not created, but they assist us in making the most of our lives.
“We make constant use of formulas, symbols, and rules whose meaning we do not understand,” writes Hayek, “and through the use of which we avail ourselves of the assistance of knowledge which individually we do not possess. We have developed these practices and institutions by building upon habits and institutions which have proved successful in their own sphere and which have in turn become the foundation of the civilization we have built up.”
As I stood at the same bar in São Paulo looking all around me, my vision changed from macrocosm to microcosm. I observed two people standing close by. They were embracing, kissing intimately. I wondered whether this was a first date or if they had been together for many years. I had no access to that information, and nothing they did gave me the answer. They seemed to be courting each other but at what level and in what way I could not know. And yet this information was foundational to everything both of them were thinking at the time. To truly understand this relationship, I would have to know not just something but countless bits of information I could not really know.
What’s more, even this two-person society was not comprehensible to the two people themselves. Part of the spark of their relationship was the emotional dance they were engaged in right there on the spot. Their intimacy was their means of accessing, however incompletely and briefly, the true spirit of the other’s intellectual and emotional state of mind. They can come close, through every means available, but never entirely achieve that oneness for which true love strives.
Even so, both people in this two-person society were seeking longingly and lovingly for the ideal, coordinating their actions through shared cues, language, and symbols. And in so doing, they created their own micro-order right there, as had everyone else in that bar, as has every one of the 11 million people in that city, as has every one of the 7 billion people on this planet.
We all seek some form of individuality but also a connection to others. We can create institutions to make this possible, but mostly we embed ourselves within them. The institutions emerge from within the structure of our shared experience, chosen and not imposed, and we gravitate toward those who work and eschew those who don’t, in an ever-evolving process of discovery.
Let’s say you set out to plan the world. “If we possess all the relevant information,” writes Hayek, “if we can start out from a given system of preferences, and if we command complete knowledge of available means, the problem which remains is purely one of logic.” We only need to plug in the right data into our calculus and issue orders. The problem is that this solution presumes that the unsolvable problem — gaining that information — has already been solved.
What is the significance of this revelation? It lays waste to a century — or many centuries — of intellectual pretense. The social order is built by the coordination of plans. If those plans are always individual plans, radically individuated and subjectivized, coordinated only through evolved institutions created by no one in particular, the dreams of every would-be master of the universe come crashing down.
The most obvious conclusion is also the most powerful one from a political point of view. The source of order is not the government, even though people continue to believe that despite all evidence. The bureaucratic class and the politicians who empower that class are no more or less smart than you and I are. They are just people with no special insight. Because of government’s legal right to plunder, the government is corrupt and exploitative. It takes stuff from people. That’s about the whole of it. It is not the source of anyone’s order.
What then is the source of social order? It is our individual minds, however imperfect they may be in making judgments about our world. Freedom is the only real option there is. Anything else is based on a lie — a “pretense of knowledge,” as Hayek would say. Anything that subverts that freedom, which means any state at all, amounts to an attack on the very source of social order.
“If we can agree that the economic problem of society is mainly one of rapid adaptation to changes in the particular circumstances of time and place,” Hayek concludes, “it would seem to follow that the ultimate decisions must be left to the people who are familiar with these circumstances, who know directly of the relevant changes and of the resources immediately available to meet them.
We cannot expect that this problem will be solved by first communicating all this knowledge to a central board which, after integrating all knowledge, issues its orders. We must solve it by some form of decentralization. But this answers only part of our problem. We need decentralization because only thus can we insure that the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place will be promptly used.
I’m drawn to Hayek’s use of the terms “immediately” and “promptly.” With these words he introduces the ultimate enemy of all those who would control the world: the passage of time. With the existence of time comes change, and with change comes new and different knowledge. Even if it were possible somehow to gain a complete snapshot of the world with all its existing knowledge, by the time it could be used for any purpose to bend the world from its course to another, that knowledge would be outdated and hence useless. Even under the best circumstances, the planners would only be planning the past.
Here, then, is the knowledge problem. It is about more than the ability to plan an economy. It is about the whole of our lives. It is about the ability to plan and direct the course of civilization. That capacity to manage the world, even the smallest part of it, will always and everywhere elude our grasp. That’s a beautiful insight, because it reveals the truth about human freedom.
Freedom is not just one way to organize society. It is the only way.
Social Labs and Collaborative Approaches to Systems Change: Live Discussion March 13, 2020, 1:30-2:30pm EDT/17:30-18:30 GMT | Cost: Free
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Social Labs and Collaborative Approaches to Systems Change: Live Discussion
March 13, 2020, 1:30-2:30pm EDT/17:30-18:30 GMT | Cost: Free
In this live discussion, we will be exploring collaborative approaches to systems change, in particular the idea and practice of social labs. Variously referred to as systems innovation labs, living labs, change labs, collaborative innovation networks, co-labs, or social labs all may be thought of as a way of doing social innovation and systems change in practice through creating platforms for collaboration. Hosted by Systems Innovation.
Panelists:
Zaid Hassan of 10 in 10,
Charlotte Hochman of Wow!Labs,
Russ Gaskin of CoCreative, and
Stephanie Daniels of Sustainable Food Labs.
Youtube event link (for viewers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNpVXzjAIjg
Social Labs and Collaborative Approaches to Systems Change: Live Discussion
Speech Acts | On living and working – Justine Wise
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On living and working
writing by Justin Wise
Speech Acts

One of the great contributions of the philosophers John Austin, in the mid-20th century, and John Searle, who is still active today, has been an important claim about language. While a large part of philosophy of language looked at how language describes the world, they became interested in how language changes the world.
All human action, they point out, is coordinated through language. Speaking is rarely just speaking about something. It’s more often an act through which we make it possible to do things in conjunction with others, taking up and putting down commitments so we can pursue the possibilities that are important to us.
This week’s writing here will be dedicated to this topic. We’ll start by exploring three different conversations that make action with others possible, and the many muddles and mistakes that can be avoided by knowing which is which, and which is called for in any moment.
And then we’ll explore conversations for action in more depth – in particular how requests and promises work and don’t work, and what we can do to improve our use of them.
There’s so much to discover by looking closely at all this, because many of the difficulties we face, and much of our wastefulness, can be tackled by developing skill in speaking and listening.
You could start to explore this topic by observing yourself closely over the next few days. Look for all the ways in which you run into difficulty in coordinating with other people. Look closely in particular at all the times what you asked of others didn’t happen, or at least not in the way you intended.
And look too at all those times when you brought your best effort and intentions to a project only to find that it wasn’t needed, wasn’t appreciated, or that what you’d been doing was not quite what other people had hoped.
And let’s see if, by studying this topic, we can improve things together.
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You can read more on ‘Speech Acts’ – conversations, requests and promises – here.
Conversations for Action – Fernando Flores
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An interactive website from 2016 (or possibly earlier?) with overviews of each chapter, sample downloads and interactive tools:
Conversations for Action
and Collected Essays
CFA PLAYGROUND
In order for action to occur between two people, one person must make a request or an offer to get things started. If no one makes a request, or no one makes an offer, nothing is going to happen between them!
Once a request or an offer is made, then the ball is on the other person to determine what happens next, and so forth, until the person making the request, or accepting an offer, is satisfied.
This playground will let you select the action of the customer or performer by letting you click the circle that represent the actions.Just try it out to get the flow. For example, after a request is made, typically the performer will agree to it, but she may also counter-offer or just decline it.
If you engage with the tool, we would appreciate your feedback
System Thinking for Service Design Inspirations – Yulya’s blog – Medium
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System Thinking for Service Design Inspirations
As a designer with a master degree in Product-Service System Design I was always interested in systems thinking and its applications to my professional practice. At Oblo, where I work as a service designer, we always try to integrate it in our way of doing service design by mixing ethnography, visual storytelling and participatory design.
This year I was lucky to attend Interaction18 conference and got very much moved by the fact that half of keynote speeches were about the various aspects of systems thinking in design. And so I wanted to share some interesting insights from the talk that can help us in the practice
Continues in source: System Thinking for Service Design Inspirations – Yulya’s blog – Medium
Do Systems Exist? A continued chat about systems thinking with Liam Mahon – Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:00 PM BST
Do Systems Exist? A continued chat about systems thinking
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Lasse Gerrits on Twitter: “Here is a question for the #complexity people out there: which thinker / author / practitioner etc. drew you into (social) complexity?
Versions of Complexity · Ways of Seeing
Ways of Seeing a blog by Nitzan Hermon
Versions of Complexity
07 Apr 2020
I have had the pleasure of co–teaching Complexity by Design at Parsons SDM last semester, and engage with wonderful thinkers and institutes in this space.It is becoming increasingly clear that complexity thinking (definition to come later) is a core part of modern life. This was discussed in different circles before we all got into this state of unknowingness.
I have been working with a very acute definition of complexity, but given that the field is emerging (no pun intended) I wanted to linger a moment on its positionality.
I have been working with 2.5 versions of complexity: a partial list of links and resources to follow.
V1: Scientific:
Santa Fe Institute, and their Complexity Explorers Group on FBNew England Complex Systems Institute
MIT Center for Collective Intelligence
Scale: The Universal Laws of Growth, Innovation, Sustainability, and the Pace of Life in Organisms, Cities, Economies, and Companies
other topics include: chaos, fractals, bio-mimicry, modeling, netLOGO
V2: Management
Jennifer Garvey Berger’s booksCynefin Framework
Robert Kegan
The Standing Ovation Problem
V 2.5: self leading
A lot of the leadership advice, individuation, Jungian ideas of synchronicity, and adjacent thinking on signifiers and semiotics are all very much complexity friendly.Mostly because they accept the behaviorist nature of our world (the noise in your head is different than the noise in mine).
My working list of axioms around complex systems is:
interconnected over rules design: they are not designable
in fact: emergence (‘it just happens…’ as one student informally articulated) is the opposite of design
A system is as complex as we need it to be: we can exercise reduction if the situation allows, and seek extra details (context) when the solution slides off the problem
Complex systems are open ended
hence a machine can never be truly intelligent by the way (I recommend Marcus’ book for those interested in that point)
Complicated systems–like a car, computer program or the highway system–are an elaborate stacking of known constructs.
We can model the difference between complex and complicated as the difference between designing a highway system or designing less accidents.
p.s. I am sure I left links out, please comment with ideas and suggestions – I would love to add to this list.
A Viable System Model Perspective on Variant Management based on a Structural Complexity Management Approach | Maik Maurer et al (2014)
A Viable System Model Perspective on Variant Management based on a Structural Complexity Management Approach
Systems Thinking Ontario – 2020-05-11 – systems thinking and making changes
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2020-05-11
May 11 (the second Monday of the month) is the 79th meeting for Systems Thinking Ontario. The registration is on Eventbrite at https://making-changes.eventbrite.com.
How do Systems Changes become natural practice? Stepping through a previously prepared set of slides, we’ll have a slow discussion on history-making, commitment, argumentation and pattern language (or however much we can cover in about 90 minutes). The agenda will draw from:
- A. Situated Learning + History-making
- Legitimate Peripheral Participation + Practices (Lave, Wenger)
- Skill Acquisition + Disclosing New Worlds (Dreyfus, Spinosa)
- B. Commitment + Language-Action Perspective
- Conversations for Action (Flores)
- Deliverables, procedures, capacities, relationships
- C. Argumentation + Pattern Language
- IBIS (Rittel), Timeless Way of Building (Alexander)
- Architectural Programming c.f. Designing
For May, we’ll complete the four-lecture series as in February, March and April, based on the fourth lecture in the Systemic Design course, of the master’s program in Strategic Foresight & Innovation at OCADU. Our modified program has been to use the slides as a foundation, on which we nurture a conversation that encourages participants to develop a personal appreciation through collective sensemaking.
Venue:
- We will meet online. Please register on Eventbrite, and the web link will be sent to you.
Suggested pre-reading:
For those who want listen or read ahead, web video and digital audio are available as:
- How do Systems Changes become natural practice? | March 18, 2020 at http://coevolving.com/blogs/index.php/archive/how-do-systems-changes-become-natural-practice/
Agenda in link
Post-meeting artifacts
Bloggers are encouraged to write about their learning and experiences at the meeting. Links will be added to this page.





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