Where did the Eco go in Systemic Practice?
Published: Dec 9, 2021
DOI: https://doi.org/10.28963/4.1.2
Keywords:Bateson EcoSystemic systemic therapy ecology systemic activism posthuman systemic practice
Hugh Palmer
Where did the Eco go in Systemic Practice? | Murmurations: Journal of Transformative Systemic Practice
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Seventy years of Family Therapy, from Bateson until now. What’s new? Tickets, Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 12:00 PM EST
Seventy years of Family Therapy, from Bateson until now. What’s new?
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ASC Series – Seventy years of Family Therapy, from Bateson until now. What’s new?
March 20, 2021 | 9:00 PDT, 12:00 EDT, 18:00 CEST
Abstract
Over 70 years ago, cybernetic thinking helped create a radical shift in psychiatry when birthing a new branch of therapy called family therapy. Yet, today, this revolutionary way of understanding human healing, thinking, behavior, relations and “social” systems, floats on the margins of our mental health systems. As one family therapist from decades gone by suggested, family therapy quickly became more like a stillborn child whose fascinating ideas and practices disappeared almost as soon as they arrived. Why is that?
Some say, family therapy was ahead of its time, in an attempt to understand people and their pathologies in context with the systems in which we live. We seem unable to comprehend that we do the only thing we can do in accordance with our biology and epistemology.
One cannot not have an epistemology, only a bad one. – Gregory Bateson
So, what have we learned after 70 years of family theories and therapies? Where do family therapists stand in regard to these issues today? What is the role of a family therapist, and in what domains? How can cybernetic ideas orient family therapists as change agents?
During our conversation on March 20th, we will explore, with a new generation of family therapists, how they shifted back to many of the original concepts associated with family therapy and cybernetics, such as Bateson’s ideas about power and inequality. We will also explore more recent concepts associated with cybernetics that orient this movement, and how we might shift the structures that generate intersectional systems of oppression that perpetuate pathologies.
We will leave plenty of time for all to participate in the conversation.
Participants Bios
Dr. Robyn Jardine owns and operates Life Solutions Counseling and Family Therapy, PLLC in Dallas, TX. As an educator, researcher, activist, and mental health professional, she focuses on social justice and racial equity through dismantling systems of oppression within the context of intergenerational transmission and the interdependent relationship between macro and micro systems. Particularity regarding the areas of white supremacy, intergenerational social conditioning, white fragility, historical trauma, gaslighting, the process of activating communities/individuals for system change, and interracial dynamics/relationships.
Bethany Simmons, Ph.D., LMFT-S, LPC is an Associate Professor and Program Director at California Lutheran University Counseling Psychology-MFT Program with clinical experience in adult and juvenile psychiatric hospitals, intensive outpatient programs, juvenile drug court and private practice settings. She is the founder of The Big Systems Collective (BSC), a diverse group of therapists and educators from across the United States committed to creating social justice systemic change through cybernetic action. Her current research and scholarship applies cybernetic and social constructionist theories to address oppression, social responsibility, power, privilege and social control within mental health practices and societal systems.
Jude Lombardi, lcsw, phd. is a social worker by trade. As a social worker, she primarily worked with “special needs” children and their families, which led her to cybernetics. After completing her phd. in human relations and cybernetics, what she calls humane cybernetics, she became a sociology professor. In retirement she praxis cybernetics, constructs video for work and fun, and cares for honeybees at her local arboretum. In recent years, she has come to think the only way to generate transformative change is through the performance of everyday life and the arts.
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Resources — Radical Childcare Systems Lab
Open Resources
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Openness has always been a key principle of our ecosystem, from 00 ventures through to Impact Hub Birmingham and #RadicalChildcare because it is vital for work to become stronger and spread, shorten the feedback cycle. It enables many to test implementations and creates opportunities beyond what we could even imagine. We try to be as open as we possibly can at every stage, and we don’t want our work to be binary, but a start point.
We feel it’s better to have a vision to hack, iterate and critique and build better than to complain about the system without re-imagining together what it could too, so this is an open invitation to use and download the resources to make your work stronger, better and broader. We hope these values will be reciprocal, and where you feel we might be able to support your work, or if it’s appropriate to credit, please do. We all stand on the shoulders of many people’s work, and no one person, organisation or solution sill tackle these complex challenges alone.
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I wanted to let you know that we’re offering our introductory course in May for folks wanting to advance collaborative systems change work.
If you know of anyone who might be interested, we’re happy to answer any questions and provide discounts for your close allies or partners. Melissa, who’s copied here, can help with that.
In the meantime, I’m happy to share some new or updated free resources from CoCreative:
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- Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 9:00 AM – 5:00 PM EST
- Registeration Required (Conference live via Zoom)
- Conference Schedule: single-track format — drop-in/out for sessions of interest throughout the day
- Hosted by the Complex Adaptive Systems (CAS) Lab and Western Research at Western University, London, Canada.
- Questions? Connect at caslab@uwo.ca
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Theo Gibbs, Simon A. Levin, Jonathan M. Levine
A central assumption in most ecological models is that the interactions in a community operate only between pairs of species. However, the interaction between two species may be fundamentally changed by the presence of others. Although interactions among three or more species, called higher-order interactions, have the potential to modify our theoretical understanding of coexistence, ecologists lack clear expectations for how these interactions shape community structure. Here, we analytically predict and numerically confirm how the variability and strength of higher-order interactions affect species coexistence. We found that, as higher-order interaction strengths become more variable across species, fewer species coexist, echoing the behavior of pairwise models. If inter-specific higher-order interactions become too harmful relative to self-regulation, coexistence was destabilized, but coexistence was also lost when these interactions were too weak and mutualistic effects became prevalent. Last, we showed that more species rich communities…
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Advances in Systems Science: 66th Annual Meeting of the International Society for the Systems Sciences, July 7-11, 2022
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July 7, 2022—July 11, 2022
July 7: Pre-conference session and Tech Troubleshooting
July 8, 9 & 10: Main Conference Sessions
July 11: Concluding remarks and ISSS Administration Meetings
Main conference program- July 8, 2021-July 10, 2022
Summary – Advances in Systems Science: 66th Annual Meeting of the International Society for the Systems Sciences
The International Society for the Systems Sciences is pleased to announce our 66th Annual Meeting and Conference to be held online July 7-11, 2022 on a 24-hour schedule. ISSS President George Mobus invites you to submit papers and workshops for the event, and the Call for Papers is attached for your reference. The conference website will be updated as events are scheduled and registration is open now. Be sure to register before the early bird deadline for the best rates.
Conference Website and Registration
More details on submitting abstracts here https://www.isss.org/submitting-abstracts/
More details on student awards (each worth $500) https://www.isss.org/student-paper-awards/
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Economics of Mutuality
Also Economics of Mutuality Lab at Said Business School, Oxford University
https://www.sbs.ox.ac.uk/research/centres-and-initiatives/responsible-business/economics-mutuality-lab
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Beyond the Bounds of your Organization: Systems Influencing & Why it Matters Mar 18, 2022 3pm in Amsterdam
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Meeting Registration – Zoom

Meeting Registration
Beyond the Bounds of your Organization: Systems Influencing & Why it Matters
Join Jeroo Billimoria (Catalyst2030), Vera Cordeiro (Instituto Dara) and Daniela Papi Thornton (Systems Led Leadership) for a robust conversation on leveraging systems change within your organization and beyond.Time
Mar 18, 2022 03:00 PM in Amsterdam
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